Talking about Canada-exported homophobia in Jamaica with colleague Maurice Tomlinson!

This is a public conversation.

US LGBT Ambassador hits the right note in Jamaica! smile emoticon Acknowledge, Respect, Engage! heart emoticon

“Our own history has not been a perfect history on point. The United States is not yet where it should be on this and other issues. We’ve made a lot of progress, but we’re not here to point fingers, that would be a hypocritical thing for us,” Larson said.”

RANDY Berry and Todd Larson wanted Jamaicans to have a clear understanding of the reason for their visit to the island last week. So, in an interview with the Jamaica Observer lasting just under 30 minutes, the US Government officials stated m …
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  • Someone was listening to you! This is almost word for word A.R.E.!!

    All your work in the spotlight is paying off:)

    “… where US policy is, understanding

    that we have also come into this space after a long struggle

    and to see how we can be a positive partner.”

  • Maurice Tomlinson Thanks, Freddie! I am STILL hoping that the issue of EXPORTED homophobia will be acknowledged, and I said as much to someone from the US govt. today. It is absolutely crucial to disrupt the narrative that somehow people from the global south are inherently and intrinsically homophobic. We are not. We had to be TAUGHT to hate.
    • Freddie ArpsExported homophobia needs to be addressed: the past and present campaigns that Christianists are waging.

      Do we actually know anything about the start of homophobia or misogyny?

      Does it just come from fear of the “other” and did all societies know some form of it?

      I always thought Wicca/paganism/Druidism had none of it, but I don’t know for sure…

  • Stephen Tattle I have to admit that I struggle with the “exported homophobia” concept as being THE reason. It seems a little too simple an explanation. Do people not have the choice whether or not they buy into what they hear? Where is individual responsibility?
    • Freddie Arps That’s how mass hysteria works though… Large groups and repetition, repetition, repetition.

      Individual emotions and reactions disappear and with them individual responsibility…

      It’s psych 101 unfortunately.

      We could have prosecuted every individual in Germany after world war 2. We stuck with leaders and exceptionally murderous doctors and camp guards.

      We opted to see choice as murky water and to understand that people as a group act differently than they would have on their own.

      That is why it is so important to react with Maurice Tomlinson‘s “acknowledge, respect and engage”

      We in “the group of” Canada, Europe used to dismiss LGBTI persons as unacceptable.

      Now we need to engage people in other countries by giving them information and ideas about how to accept LGBTI persons in their lives and in their communities. And connect those to their own culture that has plenty of space for acceptance. Probably start with this last part.

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  • Stephen Tattle I keep saying to myself – some day when Maurice and I are both in the office, I really need to grab him for a quick lunch to discuss this and to figure out what I am apparently not seeing.
  • Maurice TomlinsonStephen, research conducted by the University of the West Indies in 2011 and 2012 highlighted the correlation between religious fundamentalism and murder music (which itself relies on religious fundamentalism for most of its lyrics). So, while Jamaicans certainly have the agency to hate, they had to be taught whom to hate. And this (mis)education is the function of imported evangelical religious practice and a centuries old British colonially-imposed anti-gay law. Regrettably, in Jamaica as elsewhere, many people are simply too lazy to interrogate the root of their deeply held homophobia. It is easier to simply accept that gays are an “abomination” because the pastor says so.
    Stephen Tattle Maurice Tomlinson There are about 150 things/questions I would like to say/ask in response, but it is not possible in a forum such as this. I am not a “tech” guy and am new to social media and I cannot express opinions in few enough words which a forum such as this requires. I am still a old-school talker who needs 2-way exchange of ideas to form opinions and understand things, which our electronic age makes more and more challenging! I would still love an opportunity to discuss this issue and hope that might some day be possible.

Judges should be impeached after “perverse and irrational decision.”

You commented on Maurice Tomlinson’s post.

Argentina court reduces sentence of child abuser because 6-year-old victim is gay “and was used to it.”
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My comment:

“Prosecutors appealed the judges’ decision as ‘perverse and irrational’ and The Federation of Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transsexuals is calling for the the two judges to be impeached.”

Doesn’t happen that often that prosecutors criticize a judge’s decision this harshly.

Argentina may have opened up marriage to same sex couples but the influence of the Catholic Church is still very, very strong and it preaches hate for women, girls, The Gays, Trans* people, sex workers, feminists… and on and on… All the while sitting on piles of gold and large tracts of land, eating grade 1 Argentinean steak, drinking expensive wines. But I digress.

“Piombo defended the ruling Monday in radio interviews , saying that the boy had already been ‘initiated by his father into the worst of worlds, leading him to depravation.’

He said that ‘as a result of that experience with the father, the child had showed signs of a transvestite conduct, of conduct we had to take into account.”

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Gay minority stripped of equal rights by Croatia’s Roman Catholics.

Gay minority stripped of equal rights by Croatia’s Roman Catholics. 

It is heartening to know that many newspapers, the Jewish and Lutheran community, famous Croatian entertainers and Croatian psychologists were against the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage adopted in Croatia yesterday.

The road to marriage equality has only started in parts of Europe, where 8 of the 26 nations have gay marriage and 6 have adopted constitutional bans. Croatia was the 6th.

It is unclear whether the parliamentary proposal of registered partnerships for same sex couples will go ahead.

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Extreme Right and religious parties in Europe: 1930’s and 2010’s

Including a swing to the right of Catholic/Russian/Greek orthodox parties in the east and south of Europe.

In the Netherlands weakening of women’s health rights and LGBTQ rights came from the Christian Democrats and the tiny Protestant Orthodox parties.

In a strange twist conservative Muslim and Jewish voters have joined the Christian Democratic Party (CDA) which also houses the Catholic south of the Netherlands.

Islamophobia, homophobia and misogyny mixed together: the enemy of your enemy is your friend (and your enemy).

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Offensive and racist phrases to avoid or not.

How do you take this information “into” your speech?

Some are easy enough: don’t use “Jew down” or “Nitty-Gritty” or “Eskimo” or “That’s so gay!”

But what about the Dutch “Hiep Hiep Hoera” shouted at birthdays? The Dutch took it from the Germans when they were fighting together I don’t know who in 1815, and not having a clue what it meant.

It comes from “Hep Hep” which originated in 100 CE’s anti-semitism and islamophobia…

Does the meaning of a word change when its original sentiment is forgotten, only alive in the memories of linguists and historians?

I guess it’s a semantic and interpersonal question.

And Paddy wagon too offensive to use? I think that term is not at all offensive any more. The Irish have been firmly ‘rooted’ in all socio-economic strata for far too long to compare that slur to offensive terms used “for” groups that still suffer from racism, classism, poverty etc. The demeaning and discriminatory power of that word has gone. As has the power of the”rule of thumb.”